Comments on: What’s bloody more important, Can or Are? http://www.speakbindas.com/are-or-can/ Following the inner passion... Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:16:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Devang Vibhakar http://www.speakbindas.com/are-or-can/comment-page-1/#comment-1596 Devang Vibhakar Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:09:02 +0000 http://www.speakbindas.com/?p=2870#comment-1596 Previous comments: # Preeti Chaturvedi March 17, 2010 at 12:07 pm You are right Devang, when you say that our society apprecaites the certified Idiots and cares a fig about the natural talent, which perhaps is god’s gift! I would really appeal on your behalf to all those rich pockets to finance you for either video interview or publication… [Reply] # Ankur Gupta March 17, 2010 at 12:40 pm You have touched a raw nerve in me :-) I am from IIMA but based on my own life experiences as well as the talents I have come across in my life I align myself with your logic on “You Are” and “You Can”. Isn’t it funny that nobody will drive a car looking only at the rear-view or side-view mirrors, instead of the front-screen yet while dealing with talent they only look at the past and/or certification. Reminds me of Dr. John Nash in A Beautiful Mind.. Who determines who is insane? similarly I am also reminded of our very own Shashi Kapoor who when invited to be on the Cannes jury declined saying that how can one creative person sit in judgement on another creative person’s output. So this is something you have initiated a very appropriate discussion on and remove the “blinker” approach of most people. The experience is given more prominence rather than the potential!!! [Reply] # vikas March 17, 2010 at 1:13 pm I could imagine you writing this!!!I know that you haven’t mentioned your name, Devangbhai, but surely you can be put in this list of stories, if I write this…Very frankly speaking, I believe that these are the hurdle to the Great people have to go through.(it sounds bit philosophical, but its true). Shrimad Bhagavad Gita ko bhi mention kar dete hai- Karm kiye ja, phal ki chinta mat kar… [Reply] Varun Reply: March 18th, 2010 at 10:48 am “Karm kiye ja, phal ki chinta mat kar” The most misunderstood sentence of “Geeta”. This sentence has nothing to do with future at all. This sentence is all about doing ‘Karm’ in present. It says that our ‘Karm’ is only our ‘Phal’. Whatever we do, we should do it with so intensity, with so much of joy that this joy becomes our ‘phal’. [Reply] # William March 17, 2010 at 4:34 pm Too long an article for my tired eyes. But for sure ARE. I am. Then you can. [Reply] Devang Vibhakar Reply: March 17th, 2010 at 8:16 pm William, Try again with fresh eyes. You won’t be disappointed. Need your creative comment. Devang Vibhakar´s last blog ..What’s more bloody important, Can or Are? My ComLuv Profile [Reply] # raj goswami March 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm Your potential is the possible you. Very few of us focus our energy enough to discover the outer edge of our capabilities. You are much more than you know yourself to be. In 2007 movie ‘Evan Almighty’,the character of Morgan Freeman says, “Let me ask you something. If someone prays for patience, you think God gives them patience? Or does he give them the opportunity to be patient? If he prayed for courage, does God give him courage, or does he give him opportunities to be courageous? If someone prayed for the family to be closer, do you think God zaps them with warm fuzzy feelings, or does he give them opportunities to love each other?” similarly, in 2006 flick ‘Flicka’ Alison Lohman says, “I believe there is a force in this world that lives beneath the surface, something primitive and wild that awakens when you need an extra push just to survive, like wildflowers that bloom after fire turns the forest black. Most people are afraid of it, and keep it buried deep inside themselves. But there will always be a few people who have the courage to love what is untamed inside us.” [Reply] # Jennifer Smith March 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm Great post, Devang. The ability to see more than we can currently see is vital to progress. Anything great that’s been achieved in the world started with an idea. Jennifer Smith´s last blog ..taking a step back My ComLuv Profile [Reply] # Neal Lathia March 17, 2010 at 11:25 pm CAN is your soul (inner self), ARE is your body. You need to prove your CAN while ARE is what people already know or can see. So, by doing what we CAN constantly magnifies or beautifies our ARE. [Reply] # Varun March 18, 2010 at 10:41 am i believe that there is not such a difference between ‘what you are’ and ‘what you can’. You are what u can. You cant be what can not, never. The fight starts when we expect the things to b happened what ‘we can not’ do. When we seek recognization in very impractical way, the problem arises. An extraordinary painter can make beautiful paintings, but if he doesn’t have any marketing skill he can not sell his paintings. So he can not be recognized in the market. It doesn’t mean at all that he’s not a good painter. But for his/her recognization in market, he has to take some help from another person who ‘can’ do marketing of the paintings. So..the thing is he is a painter, not a marketing guy. So he ‘can’ paint but ‘cant’ sell. This very understanding should be there if one wants to be recognized by the society. One should know his/her “can” and “cant”. You ‘are’, what you ‘can’. [Reply] # Ankur Gupta March 18, 2010 at 11:02 am Consider : You are what u can. You can’t be what can not, never… What about some food for thought here.. Are you what you ‘could’? If not then you ’should’. Accordingly you will be what you can be and then… You are what you can :-) “I can’t” is more a state of mind which is thrust upon an individual by his conscious self whereas it is our sub-conscious which drives us to do whatever we do. If this was not the case then there would have been no evolution whatsoever! [Reply] # romila March 18, 2010 at 1:48 pm Devang, you have written a good piece to read, along with good real examples. For me are and can are co-related. Both are needed. You ‘can’ achieve, if you ‘are’ someone with dreams and confidence to make them reality. If you ‘are’ not someone than you ‘cant’ become someone. There are many moments in my life where ‘you are’ has made ‘you can’ possible for me. Take examples of my writing, I wrote and become a writer, becoming a writer- I wanted to win accolades in my work and I did because I believe in the motto ‘I can’ and I strive hard to reach it. It’s a different story that society is biased and they don’t see the zeal in the person who wants to make it big but again on the other side there are people [financially capable] who can make others dreams come true, but it depends on time when such people come across your life. [Reply] # ALOK KUMAR SINGH March 18, 2010 at 5:50 pm Dear Devang, The debate -What’s more bloody important, Can or Are? That is Philosophy—- and Philosophies live for ever. [Reply] # Ekta March 18, 2010 at 6:20 pm Devang: I think you make an excellent point here; it’s one that has been debated and discussed in various forms here in the States. Unfortunately humans have flaws, and one of our flaws is that it’s impossible for us to look past the information in front of us so we can assess the potential of a person. I’m sure everyone has been prone to this mistake in small or large ways at some point or another. But your post is a reminder to all of us not to judge a book by its cover. More importantly, it’s a reminder to pass that message along to others when such a situation arises. Along with human flaws, we also have the potential to rise above them. [Reply] navin vibhakar Reply: March 19th, 2010 at 5:40 pm devang, ar real insight is yr article. i just gsve a talk at florida federation theosophical society convention about WHO WE ARE AND WHAT CAN U DO . it is apt with what ur saying. a wonderful article. [Reply] # Shivo- The Playful Mystic March 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm Dear Devang, Your article has raised some great points on how our society views the non linear insights. It is not just in India, but all across the world, original creativity takes a long time to be recognized. Today we highly acclaim Jesus, Socrates, Galileo, Einstein and many more, but we should know that they all faced great struggles in their lives. Some of them lived their whole life in difficulties and even got punished for their great deeds. The problem is that anyone tapping the higher intelligence lives in a raised consciousness and society cant understand that. It takes a long time for society to catch up with their level of understanding. However, I can say that such radical people, be it Jesus, Socrates or Galileo lived their lives (and died too) in great joy, irrespective of how the society treated them. They never wanted any rewards, rather the joy they received out of tapping into the intelligence was their reward. In my understanding, one of the greatest mistakes insightful, creative people can make is to get restless and start demanding rewards. They should continue to enjoy what they are doing and the success may (or may not) follow them. They should know that they live in a beautiful space of deep satisfaction, which is different from the space of frustrations in which a normal person lives. Such a living also activates the intuitive connections, raising his intelligence and also bringing the like minded people in touch with divine interference. Getting restless can only create the obstacles in the path of unfolding of further creativity. One can talk about how society should deal with such creative people, but such and activism is not of much use, as society has its own pace of evolution. I would continue to live life of your choice and enjoy what you are doing. Excel in every moment and leave the rewards to divine. Shivo- The Playful Mystic´s last blog ..Why Do We Re-incarnate? My ComLuv Profile [Reply] # Harnish Jani March 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm Bhai Devang- I read your article- I just see a frustrated young man- The incident you mentioned about Gandhiji-is notable for his Character-He was supposed to leave next day for India-He read that news in paper- It was not the other Indians who insisted him to stay-First Gandhiji who insisted them to do something for it-Otherwise Indians will loose their identity in SA- The whole act was based on individual’s courage and character- How many of us would cancel any kind of the trip next day? My point is One should not look at others for any kind of help-He/she should act positively-and to do so One should develop one’s character. [Reply] Devang Vibhakar Reply: March 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm All over the article I have tried mentioning that creativity needs support. Had Panther Panchali of Satyajit Ray been finished, if it hadn’t received monetary support from the then Government? I don’t intend to say to start beg like few NGOs do for various so called ’causes.’ My message is clear “Creativity too needs support.” If people can donate lakhs for the celebration of a religious festival, why not few hundreds for creativity too? Devang Vibhakar´s last blog ..Short story: Dancing with the Timeless Beast My ComLuv Profile [Reply] # Ankur Gupta March 25, 2010 at 9:38 am Correction : It is Pather Panchali - Bengal : Pôther Pãchali (Song of the Little Road) In response to your views perhaps the creative brigade needs to make the aam junta aware that helping fuel creativity is perhaps the best ode to the ultimate Creator so that the religious brigand can be kept at bay Previous comments:

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Preeti Chaturvedi March 17, 2010 at 12:07 pm

You are right Devang, when you say that our society apprecaites the certified Idiots and cares a fig about the natural talent, which perhaps is god’s gift! I would really appeal on your behalf to all those rich pockets to finance you for either video interview or publication…

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Ankur Gupta March 17, 2010 at 12:40 pm

You have touched a raw nerve in me :-) I am from IIMA but based on my own life experiences as well as the talents I have come across in my life I align myself with your logic on “You Are” and “You Can”.

Isn’t it funny that nobody will drive a car looking only at the rear-view or side-view mirrors, instead of the front-screen yet while dealing with talent they only look at the past and/or certification. Reminds me of Dr. John Nash in A Beautiful Mind.. Who determines who is insane? similarly I am also reminded of our very own Shashi Kapoor who when invited to be on the Cannes jury declined saying that how can one creative person sit in judgement on another creative person’s output.

So this is something you have initiated a very appropriate discussion on and remove the “blinker” approach of most people. The experience is given more prominence rather than the potential!!!

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vikas March 17, 2010 at 1:13 pm

I could imagine you writing this!!!I know that you haven’t mentioned your name, Devangbhai, but surely you can be put in this list of stories, if I write this…Very frankly speaking, I believe that these are the hurdle to the Great people have to go through.(it sounds bit philosophical, but its true). Shrimad Bhagavad Gita ko bhi mention kar dete hai- Karm kiye ja, phal ki chinta mat kar…

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Varun Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:48 am

“Karm kiye ja, phal ki chinta mat kar”

The most misunderstood sentence of “Geeta”.

This sentence has nothing to do with future at all.
This sentence is all about doing ‘Karm’ in present.
It says that our ‘Karm’ is only our ‘Phal’.
Whatever we do, we should do it with so intensity, with so much of joy that this joy becomes our ‘phal’.

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William March 17, 2010 at 4:34 pm

Too long an article for my tired eyes.
But for sure ARE. I am. Then you can.

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Devang Vibhakar Reply:
March 17th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

William,

Try again with fresh eyes. You won’t be disappointed. Need your creative comment.
Devang Vibhakar´s last blog ..What’s more bloody important, Can or Are? My ComLuv Profile

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raj goswami March 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Your potential is the possible you. Very few of us focus our energy enough to discover the outer edge of our capabilities. You are much more than you know yourself to be.
In 2007 movie ‘Evan Almighty’,the character of Morgan Freeman says, “Let me ask you something. If someone prays for patience, you think God gives them patience? Or does he give them the opportunity to be patient? If he prayed for courage, does God give him courage, or does he give him opportunities to be courageous? If someone prayed for the family to be closer, do you think God zaps them with warm fuzzy feelings, or does he give them opportunities to love each other?”
similarly, in 2006 flick ‘Flicka’ Alison Lohman says, “I believe there is a force in this world that lives beneath the surface, something primitive and wild that awakens when you need an extra push just to survive, like wildflowers that bloom after fire turns the forest black. Most people are afraid of it, and keep it buried deep inside themselves. But there will always be a few people who have the courage to love what is untamed inside us.”

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Jennifer Smith March 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm

Great post, Devang. The ability to see more than we can currently see is vital to progress. Anything great that’s been achieved in the world started with an idea.
Jennifer Smith´s last blog ..taking a step back My ComLuv Profile

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Neal Lathia March 17, 2010 at 11:25 pm

CAN is your soul (inner self), ARE is your body.
You need to prove your CAN while ARE is what people already know or can see.
So, by doing what we CAN constantly magnifies or beautifies our ARE.

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Varun March 18, 2010 at 10:41 am

i believe that there is not such a difference between ‘what you are’ and ‘what you can’.

You are what u can. You cant be what can not, never.

The fight starts when we expect the things to b happened what ‘we can not’ do.
When we seek recognization in very impractical way, the problem arises.

An extraordinary painter can make beautiful paintings, but if he doesn’t have any marketing skill he can not sell his paintings. So he can not be recognized in the market. It doesn’t mean at all that he’s not a good painter. But for his/her recognization in market, he has to take some help from another person who ‘can’ do marketing of the paintings.

So..the thing is he is a painter, not a marketing guy. So he ‘can’ paint but ‘cant’ sell.

This very understanding should be there if one wants to be recognized by the society.
One should know his/her “can” and “cant”.

You ‘are’, what you ‘can’.

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Ankur Gupta March 18, 2010 at 11:02 am

Consider :
You are what u can. You can’t be what can not, never…

What about some food for thought here..
Are you what you ‘could’?
If not then you ’should’.

Accordingly you will be what you can be and then…
You are what you can :-)
“I can’t” is more a state of mind which is thrust upon an individual by his conscious self whereas it is our sub-conscious which drives us to do whatever we do.

If this was not the case then there would have been no evolution whatsoever!

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romila March 18, 2010 at 1:48 pm

Devang, you have written a good piece to read, along with good real examples. For me are and can are co-related. Both are needed. You ‘can’ achieve, if you ‘are’ someone with dreams and confidence to make them reality. If you ‘are’ not someone than you ‘cant’ become someone. There are many moments in my life where ‘you are’ has made ‘you can’ possible for me. Take examples of my writing, I wrote and become a writer, becoming a writer- I wanted to win accolades in my work and I did because I believe in the motto ‘I can’ and I strive hard to reach it.

It’s a different story that society is biased and they don’t see the zeal in the person who wants to make it big but again on the other side there are people [financially capable] who can make others dreams come true, but it depends on time when such people come across your life.

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ALOK KUMAR SINGH March 18, 2010 at 5:50 pm

Dear Devang,
The debate -What’s more bloody important, Can or Are?
That is Philosophy—-
and
Philosophies live for ever.

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Ekta March 18, 2010 at 6:20 pm

Devang: I think you make an excellent point here; it’s one that has been debated and discussed in various forms here in the States. Unfortunately humans have flaws, and one of our flaws is that it’s impossible for us to look past the information in front of us so we can assess the potential of a person. I’m sure everyone has been prone to this mistake in small or large ways at some point or another. But your post is a reminder to all of us not to judge a book by its cover. More importantly, it’s a reminder to pass that message along to others when such a situation arises. Along with human flaws, we also have the potential to rise above them.

[Reply]

navin vibhakar Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

devang,
ar real insight is yr article. i just gsve a talk at florida federation theosophical society convention about WHO WE ARE AND WHAT CAN U DO . it is apt with what ur saying. a wonderful article.

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Shivo- The Playful Mystic March 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Dear Devang,

Your article has raised some great points on how our society views the non linear insights.

It is not just in India, but all across the world, original creativity takes a long time to be recognized. Today we highly acclaim Jesus, Socrates, Galileo, Einstein and many more, but we should know that they all faced great struggles in their lives. Some of them lived their whole life in difficulties and even got punished for their great deeds.

The problem is that anyone tapping the higher intelligence lives in a raised consciousness and society cant understand that. It takes a long time for society to catch up with their level of understanding. However, I can say that such radical people, be it Jesus, Socrates or Galileo lived their lives (and died too) in great joy, irrespective of how the society treated them. They never wanted any rewards, rather the joy they received out of tapping into the intelligence was their reward.

In my understanding, one of the greatest mistakes insightful, creative people can make is to get restless and start demanding rewards. They should continue to enjoy what they are doing and the success may (or may not) follow them. They should know that they live in a beautiful space of deep satisfaction, which is different from the space of frustrations in which a normal person lives. Such a living also activates the intuitive connections, raising his intelligence and also bringing the like minded people in touch with divine interference. Getting restless can only create the obstacles in the path of unfolding of further creativity.

One can talk about how society should deal with such creative people, but such and activism is not of much use, as society has its own pace of evolution.

I would continue to live life of your choice and enjoy what you are doing. Excel in every moment and leave the rewards to divine.
Shivo- The Playful Mystic´s last blog ..Why Do We Re-incarnate? My ComLuv Profile

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Harnish Jani March 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Bhai Devang- I read your article- I just see a frustrated young man- The incident you mentioned about Gandhiji-is notable for his Character-He was supposed to leave next day for India-He read that news in paper- It was not the other Indians who insisted him to stay-First Gandhiji who insisted them to do something for it-Otherwise Indians will loose their identity in SA- The whole act was based on individual’s courage and character- How many of us would cancel any kind of the trip next day?
My point is One should not look at others for any kind of help-He/she should act positively-and to do so One should develop one’s character.

[Reply]

Devang Vibhakar Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

All over the article I have tried mentioning that creativity needs support. Had Panther Panchali of Satyajit Ray been finished, if it hadn’t received monetary support from the then Government? I don’t intend to say to start beg like few NGOs do for various so called ’causes.’ My message is clear “Creativity too needs support.”

If people can donate lakhs for the celebration of a religious festival, why not few hundreds for creativity too?
Devang Vibhakar´s last blog ..Short story: Dancing with the Timeless Beast My ComLuv Profile

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Ankur Gupta March 25, 2010 at 9:38 am

Correction : It is Pather Panchali – Bengal : Pôther Pãchali (Song of the Little Road)

In response to your views perhaps the creative brigade needs to make the aam junta aware that helping fuel creativity is perhaps the best ode to the ultimate Creator so that the religious brigand can be kept at bay

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